this leads to rising racist anger but the head of the f.m.'s constantine ramadan of ski says russia needs these migrants to make up the shortfall in the workforce. because hello mr m. and i honestly think you for coming to our talk show hello my very first question before we actually start discussing immigration and whether we should try to prevent it or merely regulated is this can present a industry developed economies do without migrant labor at all or are migrants absolutely indispensable and that is something we should take for granted. well it's definitely a fact of life we cannot do without migrants use migration is movement of roles will be large masses of people or smaller groups depending upon economic demands. you can omics move people urging them to travel for jobs and migration that the

migration is a global phenomenon and we cannot ignore it there is an old russian proverb that says fish move to deeper waters and people move for a better life there's nothing you can do about it and definitely if you put russia's side while it's still coming to grips with it and take europe the united states and other advanced economies is the peak of migration already over are these economies saturated with migrant labor or will now gratian rates continue to increase and if we take france for example same people feel that you can hardly find a true frenchman there anymore or there are still some they're not easy to spot you know i think that sadly the peak of migration is indeed over them why sadly because well migration means news influencers new trends new money new technology use something new that is brought to your country along with the war course the extra hands and the good minds that come over here. unfortunately the current demographic

trends worldwide concerns that there isn't a jury should plug into my graphic analysis that we also use it's called the family formula it's an average number of grandparents parents and children per family. everywhere in the world that formula tends to be four plus two plus one you know words for grandparents two parents and a single child in this global trend is telling us that everywhere there will be problems whereas in five years time we are unlikely to experience a shortage of holly qualified. officials turn to fifteen years there might be an under supply of low skilled labor not only in russia but globally the year according to the latest world migration report the number of people leaving their out lead in search of better living is growing despite the economic downturn and

tougher immigration laws spotlights. have. never before has the world seen international migration in this larger scale less today every year sets new record for the number of migrants they now account for three percent of the world population the world migration report says over the last ten years the number of migrants increased by more than sixty million the next forty years are going to see the number of migrants double the credit crunch accompanied by an employment was expected to make foreigners return home but that never happened the u.s. with over forty million for in residence is the most popular destination russia is among the top ten this the nation's earnings by foreigners account for a massive capital outflow a third of the g.d.p. comes from the money migrants send back home from russia and it's not only way but

migration which is growing more and more people have to leave their homes to scape violence the united nations refugee agency reports that the last year more than forty three million people became refugees the highest number in fifteen years this year again says floods of refugees forced out of their homes by revolutions in northern africa waves of illegal immigrants coming to europe have been described as a human tsunami. we have just watched a report on the current. gratian situation and the recent reaction in europe faced with an inflow of refugees from north africa as a result of the arab revolutions shows that the european public is growing ever less tolerant of immigrants. do you think this could be a backlash to some erratic immigration policies pursued by european governments in

the past and if so what were the mistakes that. well actually i do think that there have been some mistakes. i'll do my best to be careful with my judgments but i think. multiculturalism policies are actually aimed at stressing and encouraging differences. to put it simply say if you wear something to emphasize your ethnic identity even clothes yes clothes then. that's the basic approach meanwhile i believe you should spend money to raise differences you should have caucus on promoting integration but integration is something meant for those who plan to stay in country for good.

i'm sorry to interrupt you but there is an interesting twist you have been spent several decades alone with billions of euros in order to be able to say we had a worse we can be different in still live side by side it is something that the soviet union in many of you will by the way which you are suggesting this approach should be replaced by the american model the sensible one. and the melting pot. but here you must melt into a new society of the future if you think this is a more viable option the leaders of france and germany have already acknowledged that multiculturalism is something of a hyper creasy and essentially a mistake that. i don't go for extremes so the notion of a melting pot or anything related some at all casting doesn't really appeal to me as we're talking about people here so i maintain that there should be case by case approach which it must be more elaborate and sophisticated which but it must be

specifically aimed at ending differences that we command disparities and toning down the distinctions that make people feel uneasy about one another and. people should be tolerant and understanding each other. much. is a positive thing however i'm going to say something a bit controversial. when you come to france you can be whatever you want you can be. russian. anything but if you come to britain you're a century told you must be a brit it doesn't matter what color you are but you must be a brit. what approach do you think would be right for russia if french way or the british way can tell you why they mean a general conceptual approach i realize these are two streams. in principle i guess i'd go with the british model says the point is to preserve the culture of

the host country certainly respect the host culture. russia russia. this should be the top priority and there is nothing to be shamed off or me afraid that somebody might call your nationalist. never mind the labels you think this is a more viable approach i believe that are lying on your heritage and having faith in your country. hansis your by tell it see. green forces are nationhood still and yeah. my father is convinced that one of the reasons include it was exactly the absence of a melting pot there was no single integral nation while there was plenty of critical prep again. each group in the u.s.s.r. has its own culture language territory laws and so on would you agree with that.

i would in general it's rather true than false but i'll be deliberate after all i'm representing the migration service. the federal immigration service is trying to learn some lessons we're wising out from what we see in the west we definitely try to learn. those are sometimes complicated lessons but if we are speaking up and down for example we have developed a database which so far doesn't have an analogy in the west. it's a database to register foreign nationals in russia we use it to work with online data the number of foreign citizens in russia we know how many of them are in russia and generally what sort of work they do pretty sample at this moment russia is hosting nine point eight million foreigners. that's almost ten million

that's right but some say it's just five big difference. listen you're talking to the shadow the migration service is someone who works with a database. dos years shia you told me that she by the way i demonstrated your system to my european a concert ports and you know it seems to me like the completely understood that when you. in any case he didn't criticize it. says constantin little more than a ski director of the federal ration service of the spotlight will be back shortly after the break so stay with us we'll be back to.

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has been seeing from the streets of canada. showing corporations rule the day. welcome back to the spotlight just. in the studio. director of the russian federal migration service. mr medina we were discussing the policy on migrants that are country shoot it up in your opinion. do you see there is a government policy in support of your notion that migrants should respect the host culture. but would you say that the government is supporting you.

absolutely we are part of the executive branch. weary implementing government policy that this is our main function and there is no doubt about this. you know i believe that next year all rafferty's will culminate in a concept for a migration policy. this document. well if you buy it are working to several stages and set specific goals and objectives for each department. so to priorities not just for our service but for society as a whole. our goals law in the areas of demographics and you can omics. what is your current priority. and that would be k'naan excess because. you can only goal in a situation all regulated migration that you know it would be wrong to open our

borders completely and liberalized all migration. but that would be wrong we believe in regulated migration issue we know that a lot of people just want to come to moscow to stay here and do nothing. but we can't have that they become criminals plain and simple that's right you know i really like you. those officials who recognize a lot of problems that exist in russia and people to tackle them. in one of your interviews that there is russia that you admit it is great which you go on to say the d n a phobia is being incited deliberately. would you tell me who in russia would benefit from fueling ethnic tensions besides extremist politicians with negligible ratings. you know ethnic tensions

can be used again benefits. even political benefits. and some dishonest people can use. i mean people who have certain political ambitions but it's just people who have certain political goals just so you know those people's you. security services should fight them which. i for one have never heard of an openly intelligent person to be elected to the russian parliament that sentiment remains at street level and in the press maybe but given that why are people still trying to edit it. well this just means that we are in tune a good job i don't mean myself but rather my colleagues this means that we're able to prevent zina folks from reaching your goal getting it to missy who are

infiltrating other agencies. our efforts are using positive results. the quality and qualification of migrant workers who come to russia i have a great impact on people's attitudes towards migrants it's one thing when you have construction workers coming to the country and it's a completely different deal if you track people gave a bit of advancing culture and science. for a long time people thought of russia is a country that attracted unskilled migrants and that federal authorities have been trying to attract better qualified workforce do we see this happening. you know we adopted a new law year ago. it's just amendments to the law on foreign citizens legal status and they went into a thirty year ago and we have made a very good progress that used to we have some quite inspiring statistics.

last year and we often are registered three thousand people in the last six months of twenty sam the figure for the first six months of this year will be six thousand people bigger permissions to work here for three years not a month not six months three years you're talking about work permits. yes it's a year work permit that will allow them to work anywhere in russia they will be able to get a residence permit. they will get certain tax benefits it will be easier for their families to come to russia we should over a two thousand family invitations in the past year alone. so nine thousand experts plus two thousand family members makes eleven thousand people who are working to invents our economy. they represent an intellectual force currently a large share of the experts we host about twenty percent are employed in trade

it's. well i suppose we're learning to trade you know they were there businessmen correct here's what i find interesting you're saying the share of skilled migrants in russia is increasing there it's a point of view and migration both of which seem reasonable the first one maintains that migrants are necessary to do the dirty work that local residents don't want to do that the second one claims that migrants come to steal their jobs and skilled migrants come to sweep the streets something the muscovites just won't do. migrants and then they come to take our bread from us which of these. two opinions is the correct one or are they both right. they're both right there's one in both kinds of migrants so one thing that's important is that those who come to sweep streets should know which treat when they're going to sweep what we want to ward is flocks

of unskilled migrants standing around in places like construction markets were the euro slow highway as it is organized killed labor force for hire. anyone there are no more streets for them to sweep they turn to crime is understandable they have to eat to. migration processes should be regulated. controlled migration has replaced chaotic migration today what we have to do now is just switch to migration that's efficiently regulated. to quote one of your interviews you said the existing may gratian quota principle is inefficient and we have to abandon it and of quotes what would you have that system replaced with companies in for jobs with the russians have to try even harder to find a decent job they have those quotas they repealed. yeah yeah no i'm talking

about something different. brushes small and medium businesses have no way of the officially attracting workers today. we understand that small and medium businesses are one of the things that drive our economy this means we have to help our businesses and we can do that while these restrictions remain in place with these restrictions a person has to know what kind of labor his business will need nine months in advance that's just impossible. so let's face it we're in favor of controlling labor migration in russia while at the same time i have. just say that the rules we impose. they have to be very simple understandable and proper simple. there is a lot of talk about introducing five year n.-g. visas to that at the meeting does this have anything to do with the three year work

permits that you have mentioned. no you must be referring to a visa regime with e.u. countries. and this has to do you we believe these are pretty regime that we are currently negotiating with the e.u. with we're working together with our foreign ministry on this issue and of course it's mainly to foreign ministry that is in charge of dee's negotiations. so we are currently. working on the readmission agreement russia e.u. dialogue has been launched and this allows us to resolve issues related to. the visa free regime and labor migration. this fear is very promising and we have actually made during good progress on those issues. we didn't believe that a visa free region with the european union is possible personal or do. another

practice that foreigners who is it in russia would like to see abandoned is registration today they have to notify the migration agency and get registered every time they move will this procedure ever be abolished or simplified. yes i know what you're talking about in we have actually already made some steps toward states it's no longer a foreign nationals responsibility to get registered it's his employer's responsibility to get him registered with the migration service. so we have simplified these and some other thing. so we are making progress and i think that this process is very much related to our dialogue with the european union on a visa free regime i think we should all trust each other and i think we should all

try to bring our positions closer together. i think. thank you very much for being with us in just a reminder that my guest was. the director of the federal. spotlight will be back with more. on what's going on. and he.

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story. three. have been charged with spying for russia after being arrested. our correspondent. initially there were four photojournalists arrested on thursday one of those has now been released without charge over the three that remain in custody are all pool reporters meaning that they had very close quarters contact with the president of georgia mikheil saakashvili we are hearing this one of those who are is in custody has confessed on video to having been a spy to be sending information to moscow and in enough video confession he is in the case it's a not a one of those three different custody though with regard to the third member of the team he's believed to be on a hunger strike denying any charges against him no the reason they would charge this comes after their their personal hard drives were seized dunned detailed mops

of the presidential compound and presidential goings on the the the daily schedule of mikheil saakashvili was found on that hard drive this resulted in the charges being leveled against them now they will remain in custody until september when they will face a closed doors trial but russia is accused of being a little quick on the draw when it comes to labeling people spies they say that there isn't enough evidence to link these people to to moscow and says that the russians own the only people that think that russia has jumped the gun a few times on labeling people spice up to go with the judges are so quick to stick a spy label on to anyone i guess is just a level of democracy remember and that has been noticed not just by russia but by various key international organizations like the u.n. just to be still thirteen people arrested on as you know its challenges now nine of those were found guilty just last week and hunted.